The warm up & cool down feature is a very cool part of the RK training experience, but we've heard that some people don't want their stats to include this time. Do you agree? Let us know!
Hey all!
Just one final question, let's say you set up Runkeeper for a 3-mile custom run with a warmup and a cool down enabled. After the warmup, you run three miles - at that point in time, what do you expect Runkeeper to do after you reach the third mile?
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I think that removing warmup/cool down from overall stats should be an option.
Absolutely should be removed from stats.
Sometimes I even give up warm up/cool down so I can see my real stats at the end of the training
Definitely, as an option
I'm pretty sure you can view splits by intervals at end of activity, which will give pace/time separate from warm up / cool down, BUT I would like the option to remove warm/cool so that I get audio cues of target pace during the run that aren't skewed by the slow warm up. It would also be quite valuable to be able to remove warm/ cool down from a programmed tempo or long slow run, as they are not needed and add to the time required to complete the programmed activity. But the overall stats are honestly less important to me now. As I've been more consistent with my running over the last year, I've become more accepting of the value of slower running. So as long as my overall pace (over weeks or months, not activities) is trending faster, and I'm setting occasional PRs, I'm not AS concerned that my average overall pace is much slower than I'm capable of running...more important to accept slower times in training and run without injury than to see an average pace that doesn't reflect the necessary incorporation of slower running! Maybe it could be an option of viewing overall run stats both including and excluding warm up / cool down??
Absolutely agree. I'm getting faster, but my immediately viewable results don't necessarily reflect this because they're diluted by 5 mins of walking at the start.
Yep!!
definitively should be an added feature
Yes, I agree it should be optional. In addition the warmup/cool down time should be editable. 5min is usually too short.
Option
I agree. I don't consider warm up/cool down as part of the measure of my ability so I'd like to see stats without them.
Thanks!
Yes please, I think it should be an option to be able to remove the warm up from the overall stats.
That is why I've ended up on this page to see if there is a way to remove it.
Situation/background:
I just started using Runkeeper almost 2 weeks ago, and decided to use one of RK's 10K training plans (by JS). I have a huge Android and slip it into a camelpack while running, so it is inaccessible during the run for viewing data, etc. Thus, I rely on audible cues.
Issue:
However, I noticed the JS training plans/runs lists warm up and cool down in the Android app, but have no way to differentiate that from the rest of the training run. On the computer, it has an asterisk stating that those should NOT be considered part of the training run duration. (But MD's plans list the warm up and cool downs on the computer with the warm up checked on the Android... I have yet to test whether the warm up is differentiated or if there is a notification on the Android for MD's plan since I do not want to interrupt JS' plan.)
This is frustrating because now I have it set on five-minute notification intervals so I know my warm up and cool down durations, but the bulk of my training run ends up further than directed, e.g. 3 mile run plus warm up and coll down turns into warm up plus 3+ miles (because I depend on five-minute interval notifications) + plus cool down. Thus, RK notifies me that my training session has ended approximately 5 minutes before it really has. Doesn't this defeat the purpose of using the RK training programs/app, which are supposed to make training easier and simpler to track? The above "solution" is not precise nor simple nor easy.
Side Note:
I have not tested whether RK notifies users for warms ups/cool downs in the user created runs, so I apologize if this has already been integrated into them, If it has, please integrate this notification into the RK already provided training plans. :)
My Ideal Solution:
1. Not to remove the warm up and cool down
2. But rather differentiate between the warm up & cool down vs. the actual training run (plus the added audio notification)
How to Potentially achieve Solution:
The HR, speed/pace, etc. graphs would be neat to have a marker of when the warm up/cool down end and start - this would show the differentiation of the training portion vs. the warm up/cool down.
Or even to color code the portion of the warm up/cool down separately from the main training run under hr and distance.
Perhaps an option/button to see overall pace average minus warm up and cool down (or just list both, one with both and one without).
Additional Solution Enhancement:
Plus integrate this into the splits of the main training run vs. warm up & cool down. Because I'm just starting my training, I am not seeing enough distance to be able to differentiate much between my first/last miles (which include the warm up/cool down) vs. the bulk of the training and cannot estimate my "actual" running stats.
Confused?:
Please reach out to me if you would like any clarification. As you can see, I care a lot about this feature. :)
Let the user decide. I personally like to have a warm up and cool down but I don't want 10min of a light jog or walking to take away from the average pace I just put down for the actual workout. This is especially true if you're focusing on getting faster at a particular distance. I currently warm up with the app off then turn it on when I'm ready to go.
Yes, definitely warm ups should be removed from stats.
Yes!!! It should be optional.
it should be an option
Absolutely brilliant idea, I'd love this.
Yes!! Please please please.
Definitely should be an option.
I just completed my first 5K run (1K splits, no breaks), and my neighbor asked, "What was your time?" Good question. The phone app doesn't provide this answer or even give me the data to calculate it. The duration and pace included walking pre and post run. The splits on the phone don't show my intervals, just prefab miles/km splits.
Ultimately I had to go look at my interval splits on the website and calculate it. I wanted to add up my interval times, but the 1K splits were listed in speed/pace, not total time. Rather than put together a spreadsheet to convert MM::SS format into floating point and calculate each time, I found my answer by subtracting my non-interval times (warm up, cool down, extra time) from the total activity time. This should be easier!
So, yes, an option in the prefs would work, and I'll take it! But I would prefer to have integrated access to a greater variety of stats. e.g., tap and hold "DURATION" to get a popup letting me select between "activity total," "interval total," and "interval average," for that field. Even better, some users might appreciate being able to select the interval categories, slow, steady, fast, and extra. Personally I would like an additional category, "walk," although I'm sure many will use "slow" for that purpose.
Absolutely would love to remove warm up and cool down. When watching athletics I don't have a interest in what the finish time is including warm up/cool down. Same goes for understanding my lesser efforts!
Forgot to say, for me it isn't about removing from stats - it's about being able to switch them off. I'm a big boy (I think) and can be trusted to warm up as I want.
I, too, would like to see this implemented. If there is a way to remove warmup/cool down from your overall pace it eludes me. I am trying to hit a very specific mileage pace to keep in line with physical therapy goals. I find myself doing mental math and estimations when it could be a super simple fix.
Please do this!
Yes!
Please, remove warm-up and coo-down from trainings and set them like an options (add personal duration). I have longer warm-up and cool-down setting up by my physician!
Agree to make it a turn on/off feature from stats
Absolutely should be able to turn off. All the data I'm getting while running is useless due to the 5 min warm-up. Please get rid of this feature ASAP!
I have been using runkeeper off and on for 4 years. This has been an issue for members this entire time. I don't belive they have any intent on changing it. It's disappointing as all the other features are so user friendly and adaptable to the individual runner. It just feels like a power struggle within the company of sorts. Just weird.